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	<title>Comments on: Google Maps API part 1: Accurate Geocoding for UK Postcodes</title>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://luckylarry.co.uk/programming-tutorials/javascript/google-maps-api-part-1-accurate-geocoding-for-uk-postcodes/comment-page-1/#comment-1670</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice essay but see my previous comments as you&#039;ve not really added anything there I&#039;d want to comment against other than the same contradictions raised.

I like to use both and I&#039;d seriously give Michelin a try, I just find the Google one easier to develop with, though I&#039;m no freelance developer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice essay but see my previous comments as you&#8217;ve not really added anything there I&#8217;d want to comment against other than the same contradictions raised.</p>
<p>I like to use both and I&#8217;d seriously give Michelin a try, I just find the Google one easier to develop with, though I&#8217;m no freelance developer.</p>
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		<title>By: James Donolly</title>
		<link>http://luckylarry.co.uk/programming-tutorials/javascript/google-maps-api-part-1-accurate-geocoding-for-uk-postcodes/comment-page-1/#comment-1657</link>
		<dc:creator>James Donolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google basis (free) does not provide address verification (Geocoding) as there is no UK postcode license.

This means postcode searches are very in-accurate. The proximity search is very poor, even for town searches, often not recognising locations.

This is why Google have a premier and a enterprise solution which still is more expensive and not as good as business mapping specialists like bing and Via Michelin who also have API&#039;s and provide distance calculation.
Remember the solution you use on google.com is not the same one they supply to business, it&#039;s just a Basic service with serious flaws and bugs.
As a free lance developer, so serious business would use Google as the system is weak and really provides a watered down solution. I could list 100 benefits of using better providers than Google but here are some of the main ones for why I choose Bing and Via Michelin (the better of the two), accuracy, customisation, user experience, SLA, support, proximity search taking into account natural boundaries, small town recognition, detail on the map, Experienced teams and ultimately brand, who wants to spend hundreds of thousand promoting their brand to offer a solution that does not recognise locations, shows the marker in the wrong place and offers limited directions and often does not work for hours at a time? How cheap does that look and the amount of times customers will simply go elsewhere is extraordinarily high !

Larry, ViaMichelin and bing cover about 240 each and have street level for over 34 countries in Europe including Spain, Germany, UK and all the usually places, they can even Geocode Ireland, where as Google simply cannot. If you want a free solution for your small business thats fine, but in a competitive world, you simply cannot offer a poor product and get away with it anymore (why do you think MCDonalds now only use 100% beef?, it&#039;s because Burger King did and customers wanted something better!! You have to keep up or fall behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google basis (free) does not provide address verification (Geocoding) as there is no UK postcode license.</p>
<p>This means postcode searches are very in-accurate. The proximity search is very poor, even for town searches, often not recognising locations.</p>
<p>This is why Google have a premier and a enterprise solution which still is more expensive and not as good as business mapping specialists like bing and Via Michelin who also have API&#8217;s and provide distance calculation.<br />
Remember the solution you use on google.com is not the same one they supply to business, it&#8217;s just a Basic service with serious flaws and bugs.<br />
As a free lance developer, so serious business would use Google as the system is weak and really provides a watered down solution. I could list 100 benefits of using better providers than Google but here are some of the main ones for why I choose Bing and Via Michelin (the better of the two), accuracy, customisation, user experience, SLA, support, proximity search taking into account natural boundaries, small town recognition, detail on the map, Experienced teams and ultimately brand, who wants to spend hundreds of thousand promoting their brand to offer a solution that does not recognise locations, shows the marker in the wrong place and offers limited directions and often does not work for hours at a time? How cheap does that look and the amount of times customers will simply go elsewhere is extraordinarily high !</p>
<p>Larry, ViaMichelin and bing cover about 240 each and have street level for over 34 countries in Europe including Spain, Germany, UK and all the usually places, they can even Geocode Ireland, where as Google simply cannot. If you want a free solution for your small business thats fine, but in a competitive world, you simply cannot offer a poor product and get away with it anymore (why do you think MCDonalds now only use 100% beef?, it&#8217;s because Burger King did and customers wanted something better!! You have to keep up or fall behind.</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://luckylarry.co.uk/programming-tutorials/javascript/google-maps-api-part-1-accurate-geocoding-for-uk-postcodes/comment-page-1/#comment-1546</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although while Bing/Multimap do have good coverage in the UK (And it is better than google if you use the APIs), it is considerably worse in other countries of which google is far better such as Italy, Czech etc... Also getting Multimap (bing) to work with Ireland and small islands such as the Isle of Man is just as problematic.

I found using google to be free, easier to work with and actually just as accurate for my needs as any other - providing you get around the limitations of the API and get a direct geocode from the maps site itself (its results are far more accurate than the API request calls).

I&#039;ve not used ViaMichelin so can&#039;t comment on that one. What we really need is an open standard but with the Post Office being the owner (and making alot of money from sales of the data) I can&#039;t see this happening any time soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although while Bing/Multimap do have good coverage in the UK (And it is better than google if you use the APIs), it is considerably worse in other countries of which google is far better such as Italy, Czech etc&#8230; Also getting Multimap (bing) to work with Ireland and small islands such as the Isle of Man is just as problematic.</p>
<p>I found using google to be free, easier to work with and actually just as accurate for my needs as any other &#8211; providing you get around the limitations of the API and get a direct geocode from the maps site itself (its results are far more accurate than the API request calls).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve not used ViaMichelin so can&#8217;t comment on that one. What we really need is an open standard but with the Post Office being the owner (and making alot of money from sales of the data) I can&#8217;t see this happening any time soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Johny Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johny Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 14:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Google API free does not have a UK license for postcodes hence the accuracy of using Google maps for store Locators is very poor. They also cannot Gecode Ireland, Developers and agency&#039;s have awful get rounds which often show US towns instead of UK as only based on the first 4 digits of a postcode.

In all, no professional would use Google as there are specialists such as Bing and ViaMichelin would have the full kit available for business&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Google API free does not have a UK license for postcodes hence the accuracy of using Google maps for store Locators is very poor. They also cannot Gecode Ireland, Developers and agency&#8217;s have awful get rounds which often show US towns instead of UK as only based on the first 4 digits of a postcode.</p>
<p>In all, no professional would use Google as there are specialists such as Bing and ViaMichelin would have the full kit available for business&#8217;s</p>
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		<title>By: mark c</title>
		<link>http://luckylarry.co.uk/programming-tutorials/javascript/google-maps-api-part-1-accurate-geocoding-for-uk-postcodes/comment-page-1/#comment-931</link>
		<dc:creator>mark c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 09:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks Larry
update : I used this method  so I could force a look up of latitude and longitude and get accurate markers - a year ago the marker would only be accurate to first part of postcode e.g AB2 6.. (ignoring the last two letters) but it &#039;seems&#039; the API is now accurate to the full postcode
(I cant find any confirmation that this is the case though)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks Larry<br />
update : I used this method  so I could force a look up of latitude and longitude and get accurate markers &#8211; a year ago the marker would only be accurate to first part of postcode e.g AB2 6.. (ignoring the last two letters) but it &#8216;seems&#8217; the API is now accurate to the full postcode<br />
(I cant find any confirmation that this is the case though)</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://luckylarry.co.uk/programming-tutorials/javascript/google-maps-api-part-1-accurate-geocoding-for-uk-postcodes/comment-page-1/#comment-877</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 10:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only use the Ajax calls for the form submission part, just for pre-validation.

but I&#039;ll still check into these API updates and reconfigure if necessary.

btw. I&#039;m always around for small freelance projects...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only use the Ajax calls for the form submission part, just for pre-validation.</p>
<p>but I&#8217;ll still check into these API updates and reconfigure if necessary.</p>
<p>btw. I&#8217;m always around for small freelance projects&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mark c</title>
		<link>http://luckylarry.co.uk/programming-tutorials/javascript/google-maps-api-part-1-accurate-geocoding-for-uk-postcodes/comment-page-1/#comment-870</link>
		<dc:creator>mark c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi - with a bit of hacking I have it working all I need - it&#039;s a back end function for a cms so I only need the look up when an address is added and it can manage without any ajax

many thanks for making your script public!

are you a freelance developer? (php/mysql/js etc) I often have too much work to do myself... let me know if you&#039;re interested, I&#039;m in south west London</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi &#8211; with a bit of hacking I have it working all I need &#8211; it&#8217;s a back end function for a cms so I only need the look up when an address is added and it can manage without any ajax</p>
<p>many thanks for making your script public!</p>
<p>are you a freelance developer? (php/mysql/js etc) I often have too much work to do myself&#8230; let me know if you&#8217;re interested, I&#8217;m in south west London</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://luckylarry.co.uk/programming-tutorials/javascript/google-maps-api-part-1-accurate-geocoding-for-uk-postcodes/comment-page-1/#comment-866</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This could be the case of a change in API keys... 

Looks like Google now want you to use jsapi which with my code will give you an issue. When you signup for the ajax api you get a different API key, the js one rather than the one I use here. So I need to update the link I guess and the tutorial (already!)

You actually need the UDS api which I fear may be out dated and replaced in the meantime, can you post up the error you get? it should be a javascript error that states a function cant be loaded etc.. that&#039;ll confirm its a difference in API&#039;s.

In the mean time when I get chance I&#039;ll try and rework the example starting with the info at:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://code.google.com/apis/ajax/documentation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://code.google.com/apis/ajax/documentation/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This could be the case of a change in API keys&#8230; </p>
<p>Looks like Google now want you to use jsapi which with my code will give you an issue. When you signup for the ajax api you get a different API key, the js one rather than the one I use here. So I need to update the link I guess and the tutorial (already!)</p>
<p>You actually need the UDS api which I fear may be out dated and replaced in the meantime, can you post up the error you get? it should be a javascript error that states a function cant be loaded etc.. that&#8217;ll confirm its a difference in API&#8217;s.</p>
<p>In the mean time when I get chance I&#8217;ll try and rework the example starting with the info at:</p>
<p><a href="http://code.google.com/apis/ajax/documentation/"  rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/apis/ajax/documentation/</a></p>
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		<title>By: mark c</title>
		<link>http://luckylarry.co.uk/programming-tutorials/javascript/google-maps-api-part-1-accurate-geocoding-for-uk-postcodes/comment-page-1/#comment-865</link>
		<dc:creator>mark c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi - I&#039;ve been trying to get this to work but no joy so far

a page where you had it working would be good, then us dumbos could take that to bits to figure out what is the difference - oh but I guess Google might decide you were doing too many queries

cant see what I&#039;m doing wrong..

FYI: google added a &#039;sensor&#039; variable in map query string
and your form input type should be &#039;text&#039; not &#039;textfield&#039; !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi &#8211; I&#8217;ve been trying to get this to work but no joy so far</p>
<p>a page where you had it working would be good, then us dumbos could take that to bits to figure out what is the difference &#8211; oh but I guess Google might decide you were doing too many queries</p>
<p>cant see what I&#8217;m doing wrong..</p>
<p>FYI: google added a &#8216;sensor&#8217; variable in map query string<br />
and your form input type should be &#8216;text&#8217; not &#8216;textfield&#8217; !</p>
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		<title>By: larry</title>
		<link>http://luckylarry.co.uk/programming-tutorials/javascript/google-maps-api-part-1-accurate-geocoding-for-uk-postcodes/comment-page-1/#comment-732</link>
		<dc:creator>larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rabbul, I&#039;m over in Canada right now, but I&#039;ll write something up for you after I get back this weekend, hows that? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rabbul, I&#8217;m over in Canada right now, but I&#8217;ll write something up for you after I get back this weekend, hows that? <img src='http://luckylarry.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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